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Referenz nach \blockquote nicht umgebrochen

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Im folgenden Beispiel wird die Referenz des ersten \blockquotes gar nicht an den Leerzeichen umgebrochen, sondern (scheinbar) von '(' bis ')' wie ein zusammenhängendes Wort behandelt.

Ich weiß, dass es daran liegt, dass ich in \myraggedright die Länge \parindent neu besetze. Wenn ich das rausnehme, sieht es aus wie erwartet. Aber den Zusammenhang verstehe ich nicht, weshalb ich auch nicht auf eine Lösung komme.
% ref.tex
\begin{filecontents}{ref.bib}
@BOOK{din10075,
    hyphenation= {german},
	title = {Ergonomische Grundlagen bezüglich psychischer Arbeitsbelastung.
        Teil 1: Allgemeines und Begriffe (ISO 10075:1991) Deutsche Fassung DIN EN ISO 10075-1:2000},
	editor = {{DIN Deutsches Institut für Normung e.V.}},
	year = {2000},
	location = {Berlin},
	publisher = {Beuth Verlag}
}
\end{filecontents}

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\usepackage{xltxtra}
\usepackage{polyglossia}
\setdefaultlanguage[spelling=new]{german}

% --- Seitenränder ---
\usepackage[left=30mm,right=25mm,top=25mm,bottom=25mm,bindingoffset=0mm]{geometry}

% --- Globale Einrückung ---
\newlength{\cmfapaparindent} %neue Länge 'cmfapaparindent'
\setlength{\cmfapaparindent}{\parindent}% 0.5cm}%setzen der Länge 

% --- linksbündig ohne Silbentrennung ---
\newcommand{\myraggedright}{%
    \raggedright%
    \setlength{\parindent}{\cmfapaparindent}}

% --- Block-Zitate ---
\usepackage[thresholdtype=words,threshold=39]{csquotes}

\renewcommand{\mkblockquote}[4]{\textooquote#1#2\textcoquote#4#3.}

\newenvironment{myquote} {
    \setlength{\leftmargini}{\cmfapaparindent} %Einrückung von quotes
    \quote\sffamily
    } {
    \unskip%
    \endquote
    }
% `csquotes' sagen, dass es statt `quote' `myquote' verwenden soll:
\SetBlockEnvironment{myquote}

% --- Referenzen & Bibliography ---
\usepackage[backend=biber, style=apa, sortlocale=de_DE, language=german]{biblatex}
\DeclareLanguageMapping{german}{german-apa}
\addbibresource{ref.bib}

\usepackage{lipsum}

% --- DOCUMENT ---
\begin{document}
\myraggedright
\emph{Belastung} ist die \blockquote[{\cite[3]{din10075}}]{Gesamtheit aller erfassbaren Einflüsse,
die von außen auf den Menschen zukommen und psychisch auf ihn einwirken}.

\emph{Belastung} ist die ``Gesamtheit aller erfassbaren Einflüsse,
die von außen auf den Menschen zukommen und psychisch auf ihn einwirken'' (DIN Deutsches Institut für
Normung e.V., 2000, S. 3).

\blockquote{\lipsum}

\end{document}
Das neugesetzte \parindent in \myraggedright benötige ich, damit das dritte \blockquote nicht doppelt eingerückt wird, sondern eben auch nur einfach, wie ein einzelner Absatz.
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Ich verstehe das Prinzip nicht. Es hat den Anschein, als würde die Referenz als einzelner Block behandelt, in dem die Trennung an Leerzeichen nicht beachtet werden.

Andererseits erklärt das für mich nicht, warum die Manipulation des linken Rands das Problem auslöst.

Ich hab den Code noch etwas reduziert. Blockquote brauchen wir ja für das Minibeispiel nicht.
% ref.tex
\begin{filecontents}{ref.bib}
@BOOK{din10075,
    hyphenation= {german},
        title = {Ergonomische Grundlagen bezüglich psychischer Arbeitsbelastung.
        Teil 1: Allgemeines und Begriffe (ISO 10075:1991) Deutsche Fassung DIN EN ISO 10075-1:2000},
        editor = {{DIN Deutsches Institut für Normung e.V.}},
        year = {2000},
        location = {Berlin},
        publisher = {Beuth Verlag}
}
\end{filecontents}

\documentclass{scrartcl}

\usepackage{xltxtra}
\usepackage{polyglossia}
\setdefaultlanguage[spelling=new]{german}

% --- Seitenränder ---
\usepackage[left=30mm,right=25mm,top=25mm,bottom=25mm,bindingoffset=0mm]{geometry}

% --- Globale Einrückung ---
\newlength{\cmfapaparindent}
\setlength{\cmfapaparindent}{0.5cm}

% --- linksbündig ohne Silbentrennung ---
\newcommand{\myraggedright}{%
    \raggedright%
    \setlength{\parindent}{\cmfapaparindent}}

% --- Referenzen & Bibliography ---
\usepackage[backend=biber, style=apa, sortlocale=de_DE, language=german]{biblatex}
\DeclareLanguageMapping{german}{german-apa}
\addbibresource{ref.bib}

% --- DOCUMENT ---
\begin{document}
\myraggedright
\emph{Belastung} ist die ``Gesamtheit aller erfassbaren Einflüsse,
die von außen auf den Menschen zukommen und psychisch auf ihn einwirken'' \parencite[3]{din10075}.

\emph{Belastung} ist die ``Gesamtheit aller erfassbaren Einflüsse,
die von außen auf den Menschen zukommen und psychisch auf ihn einwirken'' (DIN Deutsches Institut für
Normung e.V., 2000, S. 3).
\end{document}
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Bei mir wird die Referenz innerhalb der Klammern umgebrochen. Auch mit XeLaTeX und TeX Live 2013. Vielleicht poste einmal Deine Logdatei.

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Das Ergebnis ist von der Größe deines selbst festgelegten Parindents abhängig. Entweder das editor-field passt auf auf die Zeile, oder eben nicht.
\begin{filecontents}{\jobname.bib}
@BOOK{din10075,
    hyphenation= {german},
   title = {Ergonomische Grundlagen bezüglich psychischer Arbeitsbelastung.
        Teil 1: Allgemeines und Begriffe (ISO 10075:1991) Deutsche Fassung DIN EN ISO 10075-1:2000},
   editor = {{DIN Deutsches Institut für Normung e.V.}},%field type list (name)
   year = {2000},
   location = {Berlin},
   publisher = {Beuth Verlag}
}
\end{filecontents}

\documentclass{scrartcl}

\usepackage{xltxtra}
\usepackage{polyglossia}
\setdefaultlanguage[spelling=new]{german}

% --- Seitenränder ---
\usepackage[left=30mm,right=25mm,top=25mm,bottom=25mm,bindingoffset=0mm]{geometry}

\usepackage{showframe}
% --- Globale Einrückung ---
\newlength{\cmfapaparindent}
\setlength{\cmfapaparindent}{\parindent}%fitting on one line
%\setlength{\cmfapaparindent}{0.5cm}%not fitting on one line

% --- linksbündig ohne Silbentrennung ---
\newcommand{\myraggedright}{%
    \raggedright%
    \setlength{\parindent}{\cmfapaparindent}
}

% --- Block-Zitate ---
\usepackage[thresholdtype=words,threshold=39]{csquotes}

\renewcommand{\mkblockquote}[4]{\textooquote#1#2\textcoquote#4#3.}

\newenvironment{myquote} {
    \setlength{\leftmargini}{\cmfapaparindent} %Einrückung von quotes
    \quote\sffamily
    } {
    \unskip%
    \endquote
    }
% `csquotes' sagen, dass es statt `quote' `myquote' verwenden soll:
\SetBlockEnvironment{myquote}

% --- Referenzen & Bibliography ---
\usepackage[backend=biber, style=apa, sortlocale=de_DE, language=german]{biblatex}
\DeclareLanguageMapping{german}{german-apa}
\addbibresource{\jobname.bib}
% --- DOCUMENT ---
\begin{document}
\myraggedright
\emph{Belastung} ist die \blockquote[{\cite[3]{din10075}}]{Gesamtheit aller erfassbaren Einflüsse,
die von außen auf den Menschen zukommen und psychisch auf ihn einwirken}.

\emph{Belastung} ist die ``Gesamtheit aller erfassbaren Einflüsse,
die von außen auf den Menschen zukommen und psychisch auf ihn einwirken'' \parencite[3]{din10075}.

\emph{Belastung} ist die ``Gesamtheit aller erfassbaren Einflüsse,
die von außen auf den Menschen zukommen und psychisch auf ihn einwirken'' (DIN Deutsches Institut für
Normung e.V., 2000, S. 3).
\end{document}
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Johannes_B hat geschrieben:Das Ergebnis ist von der Größe deines selbst festgelegten Parindents abhängig. Entweder das editor-field passt auf auf die Zeile, oder eben nicht.
Ich denke, ich habe ein grundsätzliches Verständnisproblem. Deswegen versuch es mal aufzurollen - in der Hoffnung es wird mir dann selber klarer.

1.
\parindent setze ich auf 0.5cm weil meine großartige Dozentin nun mal die erste Zeile jeden Absatzes mit 0.5cm eingerückt haben möchte.

2.
Zitierblöcke sollen ebenfalls insgesamt (also jede Zeile) mit 0.5 eingerückt werden.

3.
Dazu kommt noch, dass alles linksbündig ohne Silbentrennung sein soll, weswegen ich raggedright überladen musste.

Wie ich in den anderen Threads dazu gelernt habe, hängen diese drei Punkte eben alle zusammen, weswegen ich (auf Vorschlag) dann eine eigene "globale" Länge \cmfapaparindent eingeführt hatte.

\parindent legt direkt doch nur den Abstand zwischen linken Textbereich-Rand (per geometry gesetzt) und dem Text/Absatz fest. Die Wirkung auf den linken Rand ist nur indirekt, weil die Gesamtlänge reudziert ist. Der linke Rand bleibt also unverändert bestehen. Korrekt?

Wenn ich es richtig verstehe, ist das "Problem", dass jedwede Trennregel für Wörter und auch Sätze (also die Leerzeichen zw. den Wörtern) für biblatex-Felder gar nicht angewendet werden.

Verstehe ich das richtig?

Andererseits habe ich aufgrund von Beobachtungen, die Vermutung, dass das Unterlassen der Trennregeln auch mit dem \raggedright zusammenhängt. Wenn ich das auskommentiere, fängt er nämlich an, wenigstens zwischen den biblatex-Feldern zu "trennen".
Wenn ich \raggedright aktiviere, trennt er gar nix und möchte alle drei biblatex-Felder auch in eine einzige Zeile stecken.

Ist die Beobachtung bezüglich \raggedright korrekt?

Lässt sich das Trennverhalten beeinflussen?

Achtung im folgenden Minibeispiel, habe ich das Editor-Feld verkürzt. Ihr müsst also die ref.bib auch neu schreiben lassen.
% ref.tex
\begin{filecontents}{ref.bib}
@BOOK{din10075,
    hyphenation= {german},
        title = {Ergonomische Grundlagen bezüglich psychischer Arbeitsbelastung.
        Teil 1: Allgemeines und Begriffe (ISO 10075:1991) Deutsche Fassung DIN EN ISO 10075-1:2000},
    editor = {{DIN Deutsches Institut für Norm e.V.}},
        year = {2000},
        location = {Berlin},
        publisher = {Beuth Verlag}
}
\end{filecontents}

\documentclass{scrartcl}

\usepackage{xltxtra}
\usepackage{polyglossia}
\setdefaultlanguage[spelling=new]{german}

% --- Seitenränder ---
\usepackage[left=30mm,right=25mm,top=25mm,bottom=25mm,bindingoffset=0mm]{geometry}

% --- Globale Einrückung ---
\newlength{\cmfapaparindent}
%\setlength{\cmfapaparindent}{\parindent}
\setlength{\cmfapaparindent}{0.5cm}

% --- linksbündig ohne Silbentrennung ---
\newcommand{\myraggedright}{%
    %\raggedright%
    \setlength{\parindent}{\cmfapaparindent}}

% --- Referenzen & Bibliography ---
\usepackage[backend=biber, style=apa, sortlocale=de_DE, language=german]{biblatex}
\DeclareLanguageMapping{german}{german-apa}
\addbibresource{ref.bib}

% --- DOCUMENT ---
\begin{document}
\myraggedright
\emph{Belastung} ist die ``Gesamtheit aller erfassbaren Einflüsse,
die von außen auf den Menschen zukommen und psychisch auf ihn einwirken'' \parencite[3]{din10075}.

\emph{Belastung} ist die ``Gesamtheit aller erfassbaren Einflüsse,
die von außen auf den Menschen zukommen und psychisch auf ihn einwirken'' (DIN Deutsches Institut für
Normung e.V., 2000, S. 3).
\end{document}
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egreg hat mal wieder bewiesen, das man mit Erfahrung alles schafft.
egreg prooved once again, that one can do anything with just enough experience.
egreg hat geschrieben: biblatex uses \penalty\value{lownamepenalty}\space between the words in the editor field and the normal value of lownamepenalty is 25, which makes those space unavailable for line breaks when \raggedright is in force.

Add \setcounter{lownamepenalty}{0} to the definition of \myraggedright
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Dickes Danke!

Es ist nicht so das ich diese Penalty-Sache mal bewusst verwendet hätte, aber Verstanden hab ich das Prinzip eigentlich auch schon früher. Es wird ja auch für Seitenumbrüche usw verwendet.

Versteht ich das jetzt richtig, das biblatex tatsächlich das Umbrechen (egal ob im Wort oder im Feld bzw. Leerzeichen) eines Feldes verhindern möchte? Warum? Ist das typographisch nicht sinnvoll. Da hat sich ja sicherlich jemand was bei gedacht. ;)

EDIT: Meine vorherige Annahme, dass die Umbruch-Regel bei biblatex-Feldern nicht angewendet werden, stimmen also nicht. Der Algorythmus (schweres Wort! :P ) läuft trotzdem durch, nur dass Parameter verändert werden und er daher keine Wirkung zeigt.
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